Systems are everywhere — in healthcare, education, the economy, government, and even in our own homes. We often don’t notice them or think about them consciously, yet they determine how society functions and what outcomes it produces.

In this podcast, we talk with Pavlo Kovtoniuk — co-founder of the Ukrainian Health Center (UHC), former Deputy Minister of Health of Ukraine (2016–2019), and architect of the healthcare financing reform.

🎁 We’ve also prepared a giveaway of four books:
📚 How to Treat the Ukrainian Healthcare System (signed by Pavlo Kovtoniuk)
📚 The Fifth Discipline
📚 The Art of Thinking in Systems (2 copies)

Participation details are below the video!

Let’s learn to see systems — and change them for the better 💡